ProFTPd might be removed from Virtualmin 8?

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So I noticed you’ve talked about “removing ProFTPd in Virtualmin 8”…

Could you just give an architectural overview of future versions?? Nothing fancy, just maybe mention “Micro” and “Nano” and “LAMP/LEMP” and “ProFTPd or not”… : )

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I believe this is for the ‘minimal’ install. Not an issue for the most common standard install.

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Do you need proftpd with the now file manager? It does everything that proftpd does and doesn’t need a separate daemon loaded, one less thing to think about. However if it removed there is nothing stopping you installing it and I would guess that the webmin module will still be there and therefore just control proftpd as it does now, but it now maybe time to get used to filemanager file transfers then the loss of proftpd is no biggie

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Yes, we will do an overview with the release of Virtualmin 8. However, we need to gather more data about users’ preferences. I wouldn’t oppose leaving ProFTPd in the minimal install if there are users who still want it.

On the other hand, it’s absolutely no problem to install it manually at any later time. So, do you still need ProFTPd in your workflow?

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As a web hosting software you need to offer FTP for the end users to login to their home directory. Not all understand ssh and the other stuff

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Allow them access to the file manager that does all you need without the over head

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You should expect the --minimal installation to not have everything a usual install would have. Most people, especially people who would panic about having to manually install a package and run one command to configure it, should use the full install.

No one is discussing removing ProFTPd from the full installation bundle. Ilia did want to remove it from the --minimal bundle, which I don’t think should happen in the middle of a major version release cycle, so the decision has been put off until Virtualmin 8. But, there is no discussion about removing ProFTPd from Virtualmin.

So, let’s not go into all the reasons someone might want ProFTPd, we know people don’t like to change. The only question is whether it leaves the --minimal install bundle (making it more “minimal”).

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Overhead of ProFTPd is pretty small. ~15MB RES on my systems. Serving the File Manager to a bunch of users would be more resource intensive, I think.

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Really? but I do not think it was being suggested all users on a VM (that would be madness) but to selected users Admin users who would otherwise be perfectly competent with FTP and happy with the File Manager.

I wonder just how many folk use the --minimal install? :man_shrugging:

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I doubt there are many, given the few reports since this mode broke.

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i personally know many users use it for storage server, web server. also seen on LET forum as many providers offer storage vps based on virtualmin.

i think keeping minimal as it is and revise micro to be focused on webserver stack excluding mail features.

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I guess I’m out of touch these days :man_with_probing_cane:

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What is the let forum?

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lowendtalk forum

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I like to have it around, but after checking with my resellers… I found that ALL OF THEM are now just using the upload features in Wordpress… to my shock NOT A ONE of them is using FTP of any flavor any longer…

So, I guess as long as I’m able to “install proftpd” before “installing minimal lamp” then we’re good to remove it…

Thanks for asking!!

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I found the biggest problem with “users using ftp” was them putting their files in the wrong location…

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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOhhh. Yeah, I agree with making the “minimal” as “minimal” as possible… : )

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I’m sure you have good reasons for having the “minimal version”… but if those reasons are just marketing… then go ahead with “nano and minimal and full”… really great for marketing!! (this is not sarcasm, being serious)

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If it doesn’t ask addtional work (at least not a lot) a “nano”/“basic” version might be a good idea.

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For now (though this may change), we plan to offer the following Virtualmin 8 editions:

  • Full: Includes Virtualmin with BIND, Apache, MariaDB, PHP, ProFTPd, Perl, Python, Ruby, and a complete mail stack.
  • Mini: Similar to Full but excludes ProFTPd, spam and antivirus scanning.
  • Micro: Includes BIND, Apache, MariaDB, PHP, Perl, and Python, but without mail components at all.
  • Nano: Includes Apache, MariaDB, PHP, Perl, and Python, excluding both mail and DNS components.