Roger Waters has very strong principles I can tell, and the dark side of the moon isn’t as dark as I thought.
Telegram can also be a good channel
Certainly.
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He’s a “dude” that’s for sure… 
@Ilia “and the dark side of the moon isn’t as dark as I thought.”
Yup, since we orbit in a binary system, from here (earth) we rarely see the other side… (dark)
Yesterday I wrote a letter to E. Musk that I would like to see what happens on the other side, I might buy a ticket for the next flight…
I was told that they have to sell tickets to Mars for BitCoin first, hahahaha 
That sounds like a cool plan! Sends us all a message from the moon.
Well, for now it’s very expensive, but I will do my best… hmmmmm…
BTW:
although E.M. confirmed that soon in addition to a lot of space junk, satellites in orbit (on a low orbit) will make this much more accessible
Send SMS from the moon or other communication form, from universe…
I’m getting a bit of old for this
Is this the same telegram based in and operated from Dubai in the UAE?
Yes, Telegram’s operational center is in UEA with its legal domicile in UK.
Thanks Virtualmin team for setting up this Telegram channel 
I joined it. I look forward to reading your updates.
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Hello @jimdunn
Feel really free to use Signal. I no longer trust Signal. Because of Signal’s terrible MobileCoin betrayal and Signal’s risky centralized server.
My favorite alternative to Signal and Telegram is https://jami.net Because Jami has much stronger privacy and security. As it is both fully open source, and it supports Peer-to-Peer (P2P). For those not familiar with P2P, it means your communications do not go through a centralized server. Such centralized server are at high risks of abuses. Such as, but not limited to, state spying or people with evil behaviors spying on your private communications. Software such as Signal, Skype, Telegram all depend on a centralized server. If you are ok with the risk of using a centralized server, with Jami you are able to choose between using a centralized server or not using it.
Source about Signal’s terrible MobileCoin betrayal:
• Video https://youtu.be/tJoO2uWrX1M
• Article https://www.coindesk.com/signal-founder-may-have-been-more-than-tech-adviser-mobilecoin
___• https://archive.md/F9W03
Source about Signal centralized server
• http://www.tomshardware.com/news/signal-encrypted-video-calling-ios-android,33898.html
___• https://archive.md/76z2K
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We won’t spam you. We will only post an important updates.
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Just an FYI… I tried the “Jami” chat program… and found that there’s a REASON why decentralized systems haven’t “taken over the world”…
It’s because… THEY’RE NOT STABLE. I put Jami on 2 of my phones, and could send msgs back and forth. But, as soon as one phone was across town from the other, issues… either no messages received (although they appeared to send; tried from both phones).
I also install Jami on my desktop, and occasionally some of the messages from one phone would come to the desktop… but not always. And, messages on the desktop appeared to go “out”… but weren’t always received.
(it’s the nature of “torrent hives”)
So… Jami is a great idea… (actually the SFLPhone project was the original idea)… but not yet “production ready”.
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Thanks @jimdunn for sharing your experience with Jami
I put Jami on 2 of my phones, and could send msgs back and forth. But, as soon as one phone was across town from the other, issues… either no messages received (although they appeared to send; tried from both phones).
The first time I tried Jami, I faced the same challenge. This is actually one of the most frequent challenge with Jami. One way to resolve this challenge is to simply activate this Jami OpenDHT.
Below is the same message as above. But with details if you’re interested in those.
To resolve this challenge, there are actually two options to choose from:
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Option 1: Free OpenDHT
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Option 2: Self-Hosted OpenDHT
For those not familiar with the free Jami community support forum, in the future, when facing a new challenge with Jami, I suggest asking the friendly community for support at https://forum.jami.net They use the same open source forum software as Virtualmin.
I noticed that you already created an account there. You’re pretty quick at finding support. Welcome to the Jami forum.
For those interested in reading or contributing to Jami documentation, it is at https://docs.jami.net
(no offense intended here) but I think your complicated reply supports my hypothesis.
It’s a cool idea… but just a geek toy… not ready for prime time production use.
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It’s a cool idea… but just a geek toy… not ready for prime time production use.
Thanks for your reply @jimdunn My reply is here
If you’re interested to resume this discussion about Jami as an alternative to Signal and Telegram, I suggest that we use this other discussion #830 using the Jami forum. So that this present discussion #111036 continue to focus on Virtualmin without going to far offtrack.
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I think telegram works no need for another palava to put on virtualmin team. its so simple join it or stay on forum, why everyone go with they own versions of creepy whatever alternatives. its just app on phone while it does leave your privacy alone against rest of the all other apps…
- do it your way, no need to nag for any complications or confusion to humans on this forum. I think, telegram is great and I am glad virtualmin joined.
- also jami.net - they are unstable… another reason to leave it out for ordinary folks out of discussion…
- jami.net is not ready yet ( confirming by my self - android 11 ), its not ready for production use at all.
This thread should be closed and locked as non other palava add any plus or minus to discussions… just make users more confused.
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I completely agree with you!
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Hello @unborn No
Below is the same answer as above. But with details if you’re interested in those.
And without conflict of interest with neither Jami nor Virtualmin.
How about you, are you working for Virtualmin or virtualmin.com? I’m assuming no. If so, I’m guessing that I’m the same as you, I’m a volunteer, enthusiast, and contributor to a wide range of open source software.
Thanks @unborn for sharing your experience with Jami
I encourage you to share any of your experience with any software
About jimdunn’s challenge about not receiving messages when using some networks. Per my June 30th comment to jimdunn, if you’re interested to resume this discussion, I suggest that we use this other discussion #830 using the Jami forum. So that this present discussion #111036 continue to focus on Virtualmin without going to far offtrack.
@Francewhoa you did not respond to my question in my last post meaning any connections to jumi Jimi palava - which is a bit odd if you’re open source.
I appreciate your response very much and being kind I do contribute to opensuorce software be it virtualmin or audacity or Debian or ffmpeg or whatever I use and find easier way in code…
You know my standing and standards… so why the question it self,you have much work to do…
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