Never mind. I guess everyone here is wealthy

The original post, which advised of and linked to a half-price (or thereabouts) sale on software in which Web professionals might be interested, and in which I had no financial interest whatsoever (I neither own the company in question, sell their software, receive any commissions, nor am affiliated with them in any way), was flagged as spam.

Just for the record, spam typically implies that the person making the post is getting something in return – generally money. Posts advising of great deals on great products that others on the board may find useful, and in which the poster has no financial interest one way or the other, are more along the lines of “heads up” posts.

Nonetheless, since the message I got from the system implies that I am supposed to do something, and editing seems to be the only thing I can do, consider it done. I guess half-price sales on professional-grade creative design software are not of interest to the community. I thought they would be, but I stand corrected.

That is all. Carry on.


Oh @RJM_Web_Design, please don’t take a system generated message to heart, we know you were not spamming.

The system hides a post and informs the author if any user on the system flags the post as spam, so this is what must have happened to your message. I am sure the admins would have restored your message had you waited a bit longer and given them the opportunity to do so, since it was not spam / was incorrectly flagged as spam.

I would look forward to more such messages with links to discounted software that you recommend.

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Thanks Niel. I’m actually planning to do that with replacements I’ve found for Adobe’s stuff when they went subscription and eliminated outright purchases. I used CS6 until it just became too unstable on newer Windows Versions; and then one by one, I found replacements for everything in the suite that I actually used.

I don’t like subscriptions. Subscriptions for updates or to add features and keep the software functional are okay as long as the software I bought keeps working on the original platform. But not Adobe’s model that you have to pay forever, and ever, and ever, or it just stops working. If I retire and want to keep a computer in an as-is state just in case I want to edit something on my death bed, I should be able to.

I’m almost done with the list. When I post it, none of the links will be monetized, even though I’m an affiliate with a few of the companies (and with Amazon).


hi there… what is this about @RJM_Web_Design? most of us here use linux and open source and contribute to it… yet I aint seen anything about linux and open source within windows… or you posts here… you are like I am blind and I will help you blind - we all together end up in darkest point if at all… most of your palava crapware is about to do things for less… - uhm - we at open source community do things a bit differently. We as humans do not need save money on crapware you offer here, we focus on software being open - if you do not understand its fine. whoever flagged you for spam was right - take your crapware away please no one is interested - whatever your do with half prices - we can do via open source. Plus - if you cannot contribute to code as it is… and you just cannot - stay away. - no one is interested to pay half or whatever for basically not need it software… I kindly admit your passion, but 99.9% of us use opensource here…not win 10 - also I am fun boy of it. - why I love win10? - it generates me income :slight_smile:

meh I should be mad to even reply - the right guys move this spammy crap to trash can please. I was able to accomplish this totally free… - what is the purpose of this post anyway?

The purpose of the post was to share information for those for whom whether a project’s source is open isn’t their only consideration when choosing software. Since you asked, I’ll explain my own point of view.

Different people have different priorities. Mine is getting the job done with as little aggravation and annoyance as possible. If I can do that with FOSS, great. If not, then I pay for commercial software. That’s the short answer. I have a mission mentality. It’s something that was drilled into me when I was in the service and my life depended on it, and it stuck.

From 1998 through 2002, I ran my entire company on FOSS. We made our money supporting Windows, but we ran on Linux and various FOSS applications. The reason wasn’t any commitment on my part to to open-source. It was that Windows was unstable, unusable crap that just kept getting worse.

Remember Windows Me? That made me a lot of money, especially when XP came out. It was a perilous upgrade (if one chose that route, as many clients insisted on) that took several hours at USD $115.00 / hour – and I had more people begging us to do it than I could handle. I had to hire college kids to handle the demand. It was the hottest service we offered. People so loathed WinMe (and rightfully so – it was absolute shit) that they would bribe me to push them up on the list.

In any case, from 1998 through 2002, I used Linux and other FOSS in my own company simply because literally anything was better than Windows. But because I supported Windows, I was keenly aware of developments in that world; and when XP rolled around, I started installing it on a few of my own computers and gradually migrated back.

The reason, again, was because I believed that XP was a better desktop solution than any Linux I’d used. I didn’t have to search for days for software that I could buy in a minute at CompUSA or Micro Center. I didn’t have to build from source, and then possibly spend hours or days debugging code. I didn’t have to recompile kernels every time I bought new hardware. I just had to stick a CD in the drive and keep clinking “Next.”

Time is money, and Windows since XP saved me time. (Obviously, I skipped Vista.)

I’m sure it sounds like I’m some kind of traitor, and maybe I am. But all I cared about then (and all I care about now) was (and remains) getting the job done with the least amount of fuss. I didn’t care whether the solution was FOSS because the only time I bothered looking at the source was when something didn’t work – and I preferred it to just work rather than poring over the source to figure out why it didn’t.

That being said, I still use FOSS when it’s the best solution. I use CentOS on my servers. I use Thunderbird, Firefox, Apache OpenOffice, WinSCP, VLC, and many other open-source applications to which I contribute money – rarely code these days – because I believe that they’re the best solutions and deserve support. I appreciate free speech, but I also know that beer is never really free. At least not good beer, anyway.

But I wouldn’t use those applications nor support them if I didn’t also consider them the best solutions. I support them because they’re good apps, not because they’re FOSS.

I also use hybrid products like Virtualmin Pro, and plan to move a few more servers over once the situation with a CentOS replacement is settled. If I’m going to be reinstalling the OS, I may as well use a better panel, as well. But if I didn’t believe Virtualmin was a better solution (both in terms of the product and the company), then I wouldn’t use it.

In terms of other tech, I use an iPhone as my “daily driver” because all things considered, I think it’s the best phone OS now that BB10 is defunct. I don’t care that it’s mainly closed-source. It works for me.

I also tried a Mac, thought it was quite a good machine, but decided not to buy one because it didn’t offer me any productivity advantages over what I’m using now. But the moment that I can no longer disable Microsoft’s spyware in Windows 10 (or if it becomes unstable, etc.), it’s off to Crossgates Mall to buy me a Mac.

I use an iPhone for my DD, but I also run AOSiP on a phone that I use for my mapping activities (I’m an OpenStreetMap volunteer mapper, surveyor, and editor). None of the apps I use for that mission need Google Play Services, and they run better on a leaner OS. So I installed AOSiP on a OnePlus 7t, stuck a $15.00 / month prepaid TMO SIM card in it for what little data it needs, and use it for anything involving mapping work. Why? Because it’s leaner and it works better. And if I have to, I can even make a phone call.

So there you have it. You’re an open-source enthusiast, and I sincerely thank you for your service. Me, I just want to get the job done. If you come out with something that I like better than the commercial software I use, then I’ll use it and pay you whatever I was paying the commercial vendor in order to contribute to your project so you can buy beer.

But it has to actually be better than what I’m using, in the context of my own workflow, before I’ll use it. The mission is what matters to me in the end.


I’m still using CS6 on Windows 10 on 3 different computers and never had an issue.

I never tried it on Win 10. I think I gave up while I was still on 8. Maybe even 7. Fireworks gave me the most frequent problems, followed by Premiere Pro.

Maybe the compatibility mode is better with 10. My brother recently remarked that Fireworks in CS6 installed and ran fine for him in 10. I was surprised it even activated.

Whatever the case, I’ve found replacements that I like better anyway, so it’s no longer an issue for me. I still get postal mail from Adobe asking me if I want to come back. It goes into the shredder.


I never had Windows 8. I went straight from 7 to 10. That might be where the wheels came off for you.

It’s possible.

I actually liked 8. I hated the GUI, but that was easily-enough banished. Under the hood, I think was as powerful as 10, but without [as much] spyware. But yeah, I think that’s when the Adobe problems started. Hard to remember for sure at this point.

But it’s all good. I’d been using what became the Adobe Creative Suite since it was Macromedia Web Design Studio. I forget the version, but it was whichever one was current in 2002 when I switched back to Windows. For all those years, I never bothered looking at alternatives. Ditching it forced me to do so.


The Adobe suite was originally Mac only and was developed in the mid 80’s. Photoshop, Illustrator, Premier, etc. was always Adobe from day one with very few exceptions.

The only thing that ever came from Macromedia was Dreamweaver. And yes, I used it. 4 was the best. Adobe flat screwed it up and it was dropped a couple years later in 2005 I think.

Aldus Freehand is still around, but they sold off Pagemaker to Adobe back in the early 90’s I think and that eventually became Indesign.

I know people that still use Pagemaker 6.5 and 7 to this day.

I’ve probably been in it as long if not longer than you have. I remember when there was no desktop publishing, doing color separations on a NuArc verticle camera using filters.

I remember typesetting machines that made PMT’s.

Fireworks was Macromedia, too. Adobe let it die a slow death in favor of Photoshop, which was never Web-optimized like Fireworks was. It was the hardest of the suite for me to give up. I still have a copy installed on an old computer just in case I have to edit an old PNG I made with it. Affinity Photo works well as a replacement for new edits, but can’t open the old Fireworks layered PNG files.

What Affinity does allow you to do is create export templates to whatever criteria you like, and save them as export formats. I have one called “WebJPG” that strips the metadata and uses 80 percent quality, which is fine for most Web photos. If I need better, I just move the slider to tweak the quality for that particular image. It works out fine.

I’ll still never forgive Adobe for letting Fireworks die, though. It was my favorite program in the suite.


Not sure what you’re talking about. Fireworks is still alive and well in CS6. I hadn’t realized that it came from Macromedia though. I don’t recall ever using it as Macromedia.

They stopped updating Fireworks in Creative Cloud years ago. It could still be downloaded, but it didn’t get any bugfix or platform-compatibility updates at all. (It did get a couple of security patches.)

People on the forum who depended on it (mainly those who used the wireframing) kept complaining that if Adobe was going to make it available as part of CC, they should at least do stability updates. But to my knowledge, they never did.

Adobe’s answer was to use Photoshop, which was idiotic. I doubt they understood what Fireworks was actually designed for. Many of us just used it as a Web-optimized image editor, but that wasn’t really its purpose. It was more of a prototyping and wireframing tool than an image editor. It was just such a good image editor for Web work that lots of people used it for only that purpose.

The one I have installed on the old computer is also CS6, not CC-whatever-they’re-up-to. It’s also the last version Adobe released. It may still be a part of CC for all I know, but it hasn’t been updated since CS6 (except for a few security patches.)

I may try to install it on Win10 just to see how well it works. I wouldn’t create any new graphics with it, but I wouldn’t mind having it handy for the older stuff.


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