May I ask if there’s been made a decision yet on the Virtualmin-side about a new/additional licensing structure?
Most of the stuff we discussed will need to wait until we’ve migrated to the new Drupal 7 site, I think, to make it work…the current shop is extremely limited.
Which particular license change were you interested in? Just adding a 5 domain license for, say, $50 to the shop would be possible, but the ability to split a set of domains across multiple servers is not feasible without a new shopping cart implementation and a new license manager implementation (both on our server and within Virtualmin).
And, I haven’t actually implemented any of it yet, even though I am in the process of migrating us over. I’m planning to get the site functioning roughly at the current level in Drupal 7 and then begin adding new features, like month-to-month licenses, and splittable licenses.
I am most interested in splitting a set of domains across servers, but I understand that’s the hardest one to implement.
A 5-domain license would definitely appeal to me and probably to others that want to start with a small number of domains on a server. It would also introduce the ability to basically split the 10-domain license, since two 5-domain licenses would cost roughly the same as a single 10-domain license.
Then again, I wouldn’t want you to introduce it if it’s not feasible, though. The 10-domain license is already priced very competitively for what it can do and I’m sure that any future licensing plans will cover the needs described in this thread.
Finally, thank you for investing time in Virtualmin and a better website.
Hi,
Just thought I’d chime in on your question to offer a potential solution.
I may be able to offer you smaller licenses or a split license to work across multiple servers depending on your needs, and even more interestingly enough at a slightly lower price than what you’d get directly from here due to my buying discount with the Virtualmin folks.
Please feel free to drop me a line on Skype to discuss potential options.
Ex. I recently saved a client over 15% toward a Cloudmin Pro license with the cost being split over 3-months, something that obviously isn’t directly possible from Virtualmin.com due to the way licenses are currently setup.
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I think the main problem here is the price. Right now you can buy cPanel for 12-14$ month for VPS and if you pay for one year some host offer 1-2 months discount what makes cost of cPanel less than 170-180$/year. Now add to all this how people got used to this panel the only way to change their mind is to offer something else with same or better quality and lover prices.
Virtualmin unlimited is right now 349$ what is almost double the price of cPanel. Is pretty clear why your sale is so low, your selling schema is not good and you are stuck in a situation of a decade ago.
This would be my idea (all full plans with some restrictions):
Thanks for the effort and the research you put into this. But for me, cutting features, like the one with the logo, or the installers, or anything else it’s a no-no; everyone at any price should benefit from a full fledged panel and this is the Virtualmin tradition, and the Open Source one that they should not part. Ever.
Another problem here: there is nothing in the middle zone ~50 - 100 domains, and there are too many options for low level ones. And I think their slice is bigger in the small business area. And there really is no need for 5 domains without anything when they got the GPL.
Also your 25 domains is almost hitting the current price for 100 domains. Going up with prices it is not the point of this thread.
Le tme say it again. No one in the Virtualmin community will go with something crippled, and they will surely not pay extra, just to get unlimited domains, that they don’t really need.
Limiting the number of support tickets per month is a must though.
Well what is best for you is not equal to what is best for Virtualmin. Anything what is asking for more than 25 domains is hosting by my point of view. Really, what is the real difference between 100 domains and unlimited? You get what you pay, free with almost everything for 5 domains what is enough for people who want to host their site or two, for family go pay 40$/year. Man i spend more money during one month on cigarettes and you want to say that is too much? Then you have next option with 25 domains what is decent number for a VPS and someone who is semi-pro in hosting. Last one if pure hosting service.
There is no need for middle zone as once you pass 25 domains you can go and buy unlimited option what would be less than half what is the price we have now.
- People like you expect to have everything for free well nothing is free so i would be happy with near full package and 5 domains, for the rest pay for what you need. You just show to everyone how you dont care for Virtualmin because its clear from your post that you would like to sort everything how is best for you. I just dont get why you think you are entitled to ask anything for free.
- My idea have realistic prices and packages, based on offers from other control panels. I dont want to say this is the best solution but something similar should be implemented by Virtualmin if they think to start making some profit. If you dont want to pay i'm sure with model like this there will be a lot of others who will jump on same second Virtualmin change their selling schema.
- P.S. Now thinking again my proposal is almost perfect.
I am more of a win-win man, but that’s just me. Dude, I also smoke a lot and throw money to the four winds. But no weed. The title of the thread is “Everything’s on sale! (AKA $99 Virtualmin and Cloudmin starting price)” so pardon us if we understood it’s about cutting down prices… and some freebie for their clients.
Nice talking pixel you are. Better clean that sh attitude with soap. I am a paying customer for both Virtualmin (and Cloudmin lately) since ~2010, an active member on the forum for +7 years, and using Virtualmin from it’s beginnings, Webmin from 2000ish. And responsible for a substantial number of implementations in my city to other companies. Besides this I have dozens of various subscriptions to… well… a lot of stuff. Not to count the gaming/entertainment/graphics ones.
That should go better with the taste. Writing to you here is also a story about “caring”… TMTW though.
So why do you think, that being said, I am into a “free” “everything”? But I surely don’t need “expensive” “all the domains I don’t need, else get the sh crippled&limited edition”.
That’s why I am all Linux/BSD (routers, workstations, notebook, servers, media centers, phones, storage devices, etc) because I hate the Windows market. Let me be clear how and why, on the financial side:
-asking people for more money just not to cut random features and drastically limit the usability, scope or use from a “premium” package is bullshit - I think that’s the correct word in English for cacat in ploaie;
-asking people money for support and continuous development it’s the path that brought all of us here, the way the IT market is supposed to grow, and the humanity to benefit technology.
As for the ideological points, pardon me if I don’t get into them with you. Here.
Cry me a river you brave internet warrior, your post is full of nonsense. Selling model they have now with that prices maybe was good 10 years ago but not anymore. The prices went down and probably will go more in the future so all what i did is cut the offer to suit better for people who dont need so much from Virtualmin and still have option for one who are selling hosting. Who in their sick mind would pay right now for Virtualmin 10 when for 40$ more you have cPanel unlimited, What about DirectAdmin and probably Plesk who are even cheaper? What i said was win-win for everyone. Lower the prices, cut that free part to something more reasonable and make smaller packages for people who actually dont need 99 domains. For people who need there is unlimited in 2 version, for VPS and Dedi.
By reading this topic it is clear that this model never worked, not now not in the past. So whatever you spent is not important, majority of the people just take GPL and start playing with hosting. On side note we are talking here what would be good for Virtualmin not how important you think you are, because face it - no one cares.
P.S. If you really pay Virtualmin why so bitter on my idea, for you would be even cheaper then is now, Virtualmin would sell a lot more and people would have more choice to buy.
Aye I walk the forums smiting dudes with my mighty keyboard! Only one rule - I never act until I react to people keeping posting nonsense. What was the deal with freeloader stuff, not caring and so on? You a 12 years old or what? Just explained, not that kind. Than you ask me why don’t I want to pay more. Doah, because I don’t; and as everyone agrees something must be done with the prices to lower them down. Is there any logic in this? In a thread… come on just read the damn title…
Anyway, check the thread - answered politely that it is a bad thing for Virtualmin to cut features; you trolled. And you know what? I think they agree, they will never cut anything.
A renewal for Virtualmin 250 costs 130$, for 100 costs 89$ - to get exactly the same thing you want all of us to pay 250$ (300$), like abracadavra?
And why do you think those plans exist? Maybe because there are a lot of people with that need? Excuse me if I am not and don’t want to be titan of web hosting just like you.
Simply put, you proposed something that would be cheaper on one side with various features missing (the entry level packages) but a much more expensive plan than it is now for the middle guys, whom you want to compete with giants of web hosting.
Please take your corporate wanna be Jesus+Elvis+Trump+Steve Balmer/Jobs elsewhere.
My position stands, in a nutshell for the Virtualmin team :
- please do not cut features, in any package, as you will diminish the value and the (good) image of your products;
- differentiate the plans by the number of domains, no matter how many cores/CPUs/servers;
- differentiate the plans by the number of support tickets per year - this is essential, as people will restrain to bury you in trivial tasks, or will choose a better suited subscription;
- spread them like you always did; if you can cut the prices, fine; but if you will pump them up you will loose customers, and you will also drive new ones away; maybe higher, to counteract any difficulties as a business; but NOT more than double as this guy wants!
- maybe the best ideea - you have to work with someone who knows marketing and social media; hire someone good and they will pay off; also maybe that person can be a dedicated online sale guy, to take this burden off your shoulders. I guess you don’t have someone now?
- there is no word about you out there, only in specialised websites; no news, nothing in podcasts like the ones from Jupiter Broadcasting or TWit.TV… As I mentioned once, Webmin is the admins dirty little secret.
- another good one: find angels, investors. Also why not crowdfunding? Find some design/video professionals or image builders to start a new fresh nice website and uber profi clips and so on.
- the discounts for students and educational licenses, do not terminate those; you are educating your future customers;
- please do not end GPL, here I don’t think I have to mention how important it is for a lot of people;
- people love you because you are NOT cPanel/Plesk/whatever.
Aye I walk the forums smiting dudes with my mighty keyboard! Only one rule - I never act until I react to people keeping posting nonsense. What was the deal with freeloader stuff, not caring and so on? You a 12 years old or what? Just explained, not that kind. Than you ask me why don’t I want to pay more. Doah, because I don’t; and as everyone agrees something must be done with the prices to lower them down. Is there any logic in this? In a thread… come on just read the damn title…
Anyway, check the thread - answered politely that it is a bad thing for Virtualmin to cut features; you trolled. And you know what? I think they agree, they will never cut anything.
A renewal for Virtualmin 250 costs 130$, for 100 costs 89$ - to get exactly the same thing you want all of us to pay 250$ (300$), like abracadavra?
And why do you think those plans exist? Maybe because there are a lot of people with that need? Excuse me if I am not and don’t want to be a titan of web hosting just like you.
Simply put, you proposed something that would be cheaper on one side with various features missing (the entry level packages) but a much more expensive plan than it is now for the middle guys, whom you want to compete with giants of web hosting.
Please take your corporate wanna be Jesus+Elvis+Trump+Steve Balmer/Jobs elsewhere.
My position stands, in a nutshell for the Virtualmin team :
- please do not cut features, in any package, as you will diminish the value and the (good) image of your products;
- differentiate the plans by the number of domains, no matter how many cores/CPUs/servers;
- differentiate the plans by the number of support tickets per year - this is essential, as people will restrain to bury you in trivial tasks, or will choose a better suited subscription;
- spread them like you always did; if you can cut the prices, fine; but if you will pump them up you will loose customers, and you will also drive new ones away; maybe higher, to counteract any difficulties as a business; but NOT more than double as this guy wants!
- maybe the best idea - you have to work with someone who knows marketing and social media; hire someone good and they will pay off; also maybe that person can be a dedicated online sale guy, to take this burden off your shoulders. I guess you don’t have someone now?
- there is no word about you out there, only in specialized websites; no news, nothing in pod casts like the ones from Jupiter Broadcasting or TWit.TV… As I mentioned once, Webmin is the admins dirty little secret.
- another good one: find angels, investors. Also why not crowd funding? Find some design/video professionals or image builders to start a new fresh nice website and uber profi clips and so on.
- the discounts for students and educational licenses, do not terminate those; you are educating your future customers;
- please do not end GPL, here I don’t think I have to mention how important it is for a lot of people;
- people love you because you are NOT cPanel/Plesk/whatever; you have your own niche in the SMB area, don’t loose that; grab it harder, than aim higher.