Containers in V8?

[Stegan]

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Webmin version	2.621
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Virtualmin version	8.0.1 GPL
Theme version	26.22
Apache version	2.4.58
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@Joe

As an aside, we are planning support for managing docker or podman containers in Virtualmin, probably in Virtualmin 8.

so now we are in V8 .. did it happen.
and if so, was there a decision made docker/podman?
is there any docs to support?
or is it just a case of pick your own flavour and search.

[stefan1959]

containers in Virtualmin, probably in Virtualmin 8.

the word probably but not definitely, I see nothing about it yet in the release notes.

[Stegan]

@stefan1959

the word probably but not definitely, I see nothing about it yet in the release notes.

yes, but one can be hopeful.
meanwhile…
there seems to be a choice:

• 1. Docker
• 2. Podman
     either seem pretty easy to install
     but both less so to manage

[shoulders]

Docker, that is what everyone is using.

[shoulders]

Also, maybe this should be rolled into cluodmon, I don’t see the point for this in virtualmin.

[ID10T]

While looking into another thread I came across a Webmin module for container support. This is NOT a recommendation.

GitHub - dave-lang/webmin-docker: Docker module for Webmin

[Stegan]

@ID10T

This is NOT a recommendation.

i do not think putting Webmin/*min was ever the original intention. i may be wrong but the interest here is in putting an app already working in a container on a local Windows PC (NodeJS, PHP, Python/Django) with all its DB (MariaDB, PostgreSQL) into a VS currently on a VM. with as little complications as possible

[Joe]

@shoulders

Docker, that is what everyone is using.

Everyone can be wrong.

Podman is technically superior, actually open source, and has the same usage semantics as Docker, and the ability to use the same container registries. When we support containers, we will prefer Podman. (And, when I use containers in my day job, I use Podman.)

@shoulders

Also, maybe this should be rolled into cluodmon, I don’t see the point for this in virtualmin.

Cloudmin already has Docker support, but it was a mistake to put it there. People don’t use Docker for the reasons people use Cloudmin. Containers can be a full OS virtualized, but that’s not what people mean when they say they want to use containers. But, that’s how Cloudmin uses Docker…but, again, not useful to say it supports Docker if it’s supporting it in a way that simply doesn’t fit how people normally user Docker. It fits in Virtualmin better as a way to run containerized applications.

Docker support will be removed from Cloudmin, which will focus on KVM.

[Ilia]

@Joe

Podman is technically superior, actually open source, and has the same usage semantics as Docker, and the ability to use the same container registries. When we support containers, we will prefer Podman. (And, when I use containers in my day job, I use Podman.)

Yes, and I’ve started working on a new Virtualmin Container Manager plugin!