Virtuamin 7.5 --> 8.x - Have all upgrade bugs been addressed?

[Ilia]

@shoulders

But I am using full webmin package and will be for the forsiable future

How many Webmin modules do you have in Webmin → Un-used Modules category?

[shoulders]

@Ilia

We currently plan to start suggesting that users with Virtualmin 7 repositories upgrade to version 8 in early November 2026. Until then, we’ll keep collecting user feedback, and if new issues come up, this timeline may be moved up.

You should not refer to these as Virtualmin 7 and 8 repositories when clearly the virtualmin 7 repository supplies Virtualmin 8, it is confusing.

[shoulders]

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[Ilia]

@shoulders

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And you still want to have them all? Webmin modular version is mean to solve this problem.

[Joe]

@shoulders

Using the terms Virtualmin 7 repos and Virtualmin 8 repos when both of these supply Virtualmin 8 is the confusing part and why I have struggled.

Both supply the virtual-server module version 8.x.x.

[Joe]

@Ilia

Webmin modular version is mean to solve this problem.

Modules in Un-used Modules is not a problem that needs solving.

I’m willing to entertain the notion that the size of the full Webmin package has gotten a little large, but there is no cost to modules being in Unused Modules, other than disk space.

[shoulders]

I don’t want them. I have never needed them because my primary has always been Virtualmin for webhosting.

• Just the explanations above are confusing the out of me
• I get told the software is the same, it clearly isn’t.
• Then I get told staying on virtualmin 7 repos will deliver Virtualmin 8.

I am not a Linux guy. I understand having 2 branches of a project on GitHub and how that works.

[shoulders]

@Joe

I’m willing to entertain the notion that the size of the full Webmin package has gotten a little large, but there is no cost to modules being in Unused Modules, other than disk space.

These should of always been install on demand. Becasue I use Virtualmin most of these I will never use. I would also tie this in with an online catalogue of available plugins which will increase user interactions with the eco-system.

[shoulders]

• Virtualmin 7 repo - monalithic webmin
• Virtualmin 8 repo - modular webmin
• cannot just swap repos
• Novemember 2026 virtualmin/webmin will perform an upgrade?

Is this correct?

[Joe]

@shoulders

Then I get told staying on virtualmin 7 repos will deliver Virtualmin 8.

Virtualmin 7 repos will deliver virtual-server module version 8.x.x. That is not really “Virtualmin 8”, which is an installer, all the dependencies, the Virtualmin 8 repos, and the initial configuration. That’s different from what you got when you installed Virtualmin 7.

As I said, Virtualmin 8 (or 7 or 6 or whatever) is like a Linux distribution: It’s an installer, a combination of packages, default configurations, and repos that will remain compatible with that initial installation for the life of the repo. If you do nothing but update packages when they arrive, you never have to think about compatibility. We’re working hard to make sure you don’t need to worry about compatibility when you just update your system normally.

virtual-server module is not all of Virtualmin. virtual-server module 8.x.x does not convert your system to a Virtualmin 8 system (it doesn’t change to the minimized Webmin, it doesn’t remove stuff that has been deprecated, it doesn’t include the config changes).

@shoulders

I get told the software is the same, it clearly isn’t.

I never said it was the same packages in both repos. I said you are not missing anything and do not need to change the repos you’re using (and thus you do not need to worry about the issues some people have had with switching repos).

The Webmin package is different between the two repos, and that is the source of the problems people have had in switching repos. Virtualmin 8 repos have a minimized Webmin.

You’re making this way too complicated (for you…we have to deal with all this complexity, so we don’t break existing installs, but you don’t have to).

Here’s the executive summary:

• Update your software normally.
• When we end support for the Virtualmin 7 repos, we’ll post about it and provide instructions for switching. But, most folks will do a migration for OS upgrade reasons before that happens and never have to think about it.

That’s it.

[ivanbg]

@Ilia

It’s worth noting that we believe this issue no longer occurs when repositories are upgraded using virtualmin setup-repos command, or during the GPL-to-Pro upgrade process. In those cases, all Webmin modules included in the full Webmin package should remain available after the upgrade.

I did the upgrade this way, and I haven’t had any problems. All works fine with the new Virtualmin 8 repo (Pro version).

[Ilia]

@ivanbg

I did the upgrade this way, and I haven’t had any problems. All works fine with the new Virtualmin 8 repo (Pro version).

Thanks for the feedback. Did you do it recently?

[ivanbg]

Yes, the same day that you released 8.0.1.

I had 2 repos with virtualmin 7. With the change, only one. (Virtualmin stable).

[Ilia]

Got it, thanks!