@fakemoth: impolite no, brutal probably i could agree with this.
We (all people who are in one way or another in hosting) already have so many problems because some people didnt properly secure and manage their servers. There is no day when i dont get at least 100+ brute force or spam and more than half of that is coming from servers whose owners didnt properly secure their stuff. On top of all this just google or go to WHT or LET forums and read all horror stories coming from clients who got screwed by fly-by-night hosting. Hosting from home is big NO if you think to sell your service to others. Home connection is not good and doesnt even matter how fast it is there is always limitation imposed by ISP for the same reason, so you could not transform your fast line into money making solution. If you really want this then, if there is an option, you must pay (expensive) business connection.
I dont want to say if early mentioned things would not exist there will be no scanning bots, hacking attempts or spam but you can be sure it would be at much lower level then its now. Another thing is to consider negative impact coming from fly-by-night hosting or non-professional hosting as usually customers after so stressed and bad experience dont trust anymore any small hosting and end up in the hands of bad but big hosting like EIG (bluehost and co) or big and good but a lot more expensive host.
Help someone its ok and i dont find any problem doing this but lets face it, (too??)many people who come here with low knowledge using Vmin GPL thinks how running hosting is easy and quick money. Helping such cases doesnt bring anything good, hosting industry is already full of bad apples and we dont need to help to bring new one.
This is just my opinion and OP should learn things about hosting and spend some money and investing in something he or she believe it could be profitable business.
I have to agree with what Diabolico said regards hosting at home, it is not something that I would ever try and do for myself, let alone for another person, especially if you are charging them money.
You can buy VPS hosting so cheap and it is a great way to start the learning process, I used VPSLatch.com for a couple of years and the service was good, but the 24hr support, via live chat and a ticket system was excellent. There are plenty of others so you can shop around, but having a 24hr support team when you are starting out is much needed and I was extremely grateful for.
I have just moved to a very cheap dedicated server, with NO support and am missing the ability to have somebody fix things for me as I make one F**k up after another.
Thank you for the replies.
I really aren’t any further towards a solution through.
I know port 21 is FTP and 22 is SSH. However the FTP client tends to change the port to 22, which I believe is SFTP.
So, at the moment I’m working on some sites with non customers, which is a good way for learners to develop reliable technology before selling to the marketplace.
There’s no money involved…it’s a learning process.
You seem concerned about inexperienced webhost providers, so please help others learn so when the system is running reliably, quality can be provided to customers.
So, how can I use cPanel with Virtualmin, or are cPanel and Virtualmin incompatible?
Looking forward to getting the system running as I have 2 sites to webhost for others (no money involved).
So, here is the issue again of the FTP not working.
I’m receiving error from the FTP client:
Connection established, waiting for welcome message… Could not read from socket ECONNRESET - Connection reset by peer Could not connect to server
I’ve tried:
Host: example.com
Username: admin
Password: password
Port:
Host: example.com
Username: admin@example.com
Password: password
Port: 21
Host: example.com:10000
Username: admin
Password: password
Port:
Host: example.com:10000
Username: admin@example.com
Password: password
Port: 21
Host: example.com:10000
Username: admin@example.com
Password: password
Port: 10000
I have port forwarded my router’s ports 21 and 10000 to the Virtualmin LAN address 192.168.1.165.
You seem concerned about inexperienced webhost providers, so please help others learn so when the system is running reliably, quality can be provided to customers.
Hosting from home is not same as from a DC. While you can use server at home to test some application you cant do that with hosting. Today you can find cheap VPS for literally 4-6$/month and if you dont have that money it brings up next problem:
So, how can I use cPanel with Virtualmin, or are cPanel and Virtualmin incompatible?
From where did you buy cPanel licence? On side note Virtualmin is same as cPanel so to have both running on the same server is not recommended.
I know port 21 is FTP and 22 is SSH. However the FTP client tends to change the port to 22, which I believe is SFTP.
If they dont have SSH access they cant use SFTP, if they have enabled this option then same login details for SSH apply for SFTP.
Last but not least:
Looking forward to getting the system running as I have 2 sites to webhost for others (no money involved).
Charge them some minimum amount, enough to cover reseller hosting and buy cheap VPS so you can start learning. You cant do that with live/production sites.
There is nothing wrong with trying to learn, but as you often see on Tv shows “Don’t try this at home” - In your case learning can be done using webmin / Virtualmin for your own use from the home side but it gets complicated when you want to invite others to access the system.
I have fairly limited knowledge of web hosting compared to most around here and do struggle, but as I said above hosting a web server at home was never considered and even now, with the experience I have gained I would not consider it.
As Diabolico said above
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Hosting at home is not the same as a data centre, so you are not learning what you need and will struggle to set it up, as you are doing. your problems will continue and you will keep struggling to learn.
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CPanel & Virtualmin do the same job, so use one or the other, they also work in different ways so it is not good to run both on the same server.
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Buy cheap hosting and charge the customers a small fee for it, hosting is so cheap and you do not need to charge them that much. You usually get CPanel for free
If I can get Cloudmin working I would gladly give you a VPS to use for a few months to help you learn.
The problem i have with OP is that he want to learn how to host from home and not how to host. Two absolutely different things. Not even counting questionable cPanel license what could be nulled software found on torrents. If not then after 15 days cPanel will stop to work and in this time is not enough to learn anything. Thats why i said i smell “fly-by-night” hosting here.
I fixed the FTP, so thanks for all your help.
The new domain name need the name servers pointing the correct IP.
So, how do I remotely access Virtulamin, like I could access cPanel to configure settings?
I fixed the FTP, so thanks for all your help.
The new domain name needed the name servers pointing to the correct IP.
So, how do I remotely access Virtulamin, like I could access cPanel to configure settings?
No problem hosting anything from “home”. Well if it is not exactly a “home” but a server room that is. This is how I started and this is how I am working at the moment, no plans to migrate to “the real sh…”. Long time overclocker/modder/hardware dealer here so I know exactly what are the limits of my equipment. For example I don’t need a bunker lol. For me = data centers are overrated, overkill, bad for SMB, bad for startups and enthusiasts, and usually bad as a business to deal with. It is exactly like the (lost) fight between a supermarket and your local grocery store - I bet you miss his slightly expensive tomatoes by now
And I love to have my own hardware to tinker, everything installed/configured by me, my own networks and ISPs, everything under my control.
Thing is, the OP is a forum troll (initially thought of a SEO/marketing clown) even if a deceivingly polite one. Moderators please close this topic.
Thing is, the OP is a forum troll (initially thought of a SEO/marketing clown) even if a deceivingly polite one. Moderators please close this topic.
And you said i’m brutal. But i must admit same thing come into my mind.
For hosting from home i never took that seriously enough to actually do it.
eiger3970 to access the server if your domain works it should be your-domain.com:10000 for webmin or your-domain.com:20000 for usermin
As you say, there is nothing wrong with hosting a server at home and depending on your needs it can be done if you know what you are doing.
One factor is the internet connection that you have, mine at present is:- 50Mbps download and a 3Mbps upload which is far greater than the 1.5Mbps download / 0.3Mbps upload I had 6 months ago. Internet speed is not a big problem if you only have a few people visiting your site.
The other factor is knowing what you are doing, with a cheap managed VPS for a few dollars from the big hosting companies, you also get 24hr support to assist yo when it all goes wrong. As it often does when you are learning.
Aye, the Brutal Truth Oh my, lookie here https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=use+virtualmin+or+cpanel some common keywords - few more days, few more posts, and a link = problem solved eiger3970, right? And with us not playing nice with him
Never mind the fact this useless “thread” is like “pinned” in the forum list. Please close this.
@siteXmedia are you working with him by any chance? Because he clearly authenticated to Virtualmin, and is just asking non sense questions to which you reply with non sense answers?
Never mind none of you react properly/naturally to me and Diabolico. So this is business/fun related not a genuine interest. So… see? We have our own Turing test adaptation going on here.
Moderators please close this; people please do not respond any further.
Not sure what your point is, any answer I have given is in good faith to try and assist.
You on the other hand are just acting as any other troll would and not actually providing anything helpful.
Do you have the ability to be constructive rather than a troll?
Please explain why you think I have given “non sense answers”.
What do you mean by “Never mind none of you react properly/naturally to me and Diabolico”
I apologize if it’s not your case, but read the whole thread, we did try to help him. You will come to the same conclusion as me. Because after everything wrote here he asks:
So, how do I remotely access Virtulamin, like I could access cPanel to configure settings?
Note that almost in every post (and truly non-sense posts) he mentiones cPanel and Virtualmin. First I thought he doesn’t write well in english but his posts suggest otherwise. Than thought he is a a SEO/spamdexing/keyword farmer guy, but he didn’t post any links. So called him a troll, and asked for a block.
Figured you are riding the same wagon… as we kept posting for closing the thread, and you were answering.
Please do not call me a troll, else will be clear you misunderstood me also. Sorry for any inconvenience; and someone must close this.